scram (Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-10-00 00:49
No 74019
      Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Christ! been on this sight almost 2 years and I finnally now just find out who the hell "Wally-World" is and that he has DCM straight from a can. I never wanted to order this stuff just because. Screw distilling it from Zipstrip. Im walking throught the isles of wally world and low n' behold in the gun dept is a specific gun cleaner in a red/white/blue/black can for $6.17 for 454g of this stuff. As soon as I saw it say "Contains Chlorinated Solvent" and "Non Flammable," along with "vapours heavier than air, do not use in closed areas such as basements," I was exstatic. I decided to do one last test and 'snaked' on some I'd sprayed out into the cap (snake means raw saliva that comes from your gland under your tongue, looks just like a Cobra that spits), sure enough the water floated on top of the solvent. Whooo-hoooo! Aint she a beauty said the crocodile hunter!
 The can felt heavy like it should for a normal size spray can. Bought 2 bottles and took it home, chilled bottle and glass container to spray it in, stuff came out clear. Got some 600+ml out of 2 454g bottles, just about inline with the sg of DCM. Now, How about this stuff for ketone extractions on the 02 wacker. How does it rate next to toluene, is it ~ 400ml DCM to 100ml ketone, will that be enought. I can't wait to work up somehting using way less solvent that Toluene! This stuff smells really harmful to the lungs.

 
 
 
 
    KrZ
(Hallucinogenius)
12-10-00 01:31
No 74028
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Why not do a simple distillation, check the bp, and give us a name so we can contact the manufacturer eh?
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-10-00 03:51
No 74060
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Hey KrZ, why don't you get down over here, give up sum of dat' ass and we can talk. We get down right here, you wanna get down, lay down that booty and we .....
No Posting of sources, no no no. Really, I don't remember the name but its the only 16oz spray type gun clenaer they had. All others were smaller and mentioned other ingredients. This doesn't mention ingredients, but the only non-flammable solvent I've ever heard being used was dcm. Its got to be it. flows very easily, seems to flow easier than water actually. It burns when it gets on sensitive skin areas like the scrotum and such. Im confident enough to use it without testing, It just stinks so bad that I don't want to boil any of it in my place and is too expensive. Evaporates extremely fast (in seconds). Now give up some of dat ass and we talking then. How much of this stuff is need to sufficiently hold ketone? Seems like 2/1 to 3/1 ratios from what I've found on the search engine.
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-10-00 05:53
No 74079
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Some bee (never seen him b4) just posted the source. %$@^ Damn It, if you kept that secret for so long without letting us know Im pissed off! Took me 20 months to find that stuff. He has erased his thread since this note, but yeah, that is the company that I was referring to.

ps: Aye man, whoever you were that edited your post (deleting it after posting the company), it seems you've used this before, is it dcm??? pure???
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Stranger)
12-10-00 05:56
No 74080
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   



1,1,1-Trichloroethane (C2H3Cl3) with a bp 74.08 and sg 1.32




We are all learners, doers, teachers.
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-10-00 05:57
No 74081
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

interchangable with DCM???
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Stranger)
12-10-00 05:59
No 74082
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

sorry bout that, removed the links, and just posted the chem itself. No, never used it, in same boat as you are (not wanting to distill paint thinner). If anyone knows it would be nice to know if it will work, I bought 3 cans of it.


We are all learners, doers, teachers.
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Stranger)
12-10-00 06:04
No 74085
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

you say you put this stuff on yer balls??? I've heard some testing methods but this one takes the cake.


We are all learners, doers, teachers.
 
 
 
 
    serodronin
(Hive Bee)
12-10-00 16:29
No 74217
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

DCM and chloroform are relatively interchangable.


Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted all the rest follows.
 
 
 
 
    serodronin
(Hive Bee)
12-10-00 16:32
No 74218
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

is it 454gr. or 16oz.?  16oz of chloroform is more like 800gr.  it would probably be cheaper to get chloroform this way than by making it.


Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted all the rest follows.
 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
12-10-00 18:59
No 74241
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Sero, that chlorinated solvent posted above (1,1,1-trichloroethane) isn't chloroform (trichloromethane) and it's definitely not DCM (dichloromethane).

Btw, it's not 800g either:
16 fluid oz = 454ml = 687g of chloroform = 599g DCM = 603g of 1,1,1-TCE.

However, everyone here is talking about a can that is 454g or 16oz.

And yes, relatively speaking, chloronated solvents are interchangable. (just like more aromatic solvents are interchangable)

 
 
 
 
    serodronin
(Hive Bee)
12-11-00 01:12
No 74325
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

sory, it was late and I was trippin.  thought I read trichloromethane and didn't see the line on the left in the structural diagram.  I wasn't trying to be precise on the weight, I was just pointing out that a 16 oz can is not 454g of solvent.  Since they don't sell cans in wallyworld based on gram measurements, then he was probably referring to a 16oz can.


Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted all the rest follows.
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-11-00 03:18
No 74361
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

The can says "NET WEIGHT 16 OZ (454 g). " Unfortunately, I broke my glass cylinder and have not had the time to accurately measure this stuff. But it seems that 2 (454g each) can made approx ~575 - 725 ml of liquid. Did you test the bp of this stuff, I think it might be more like the bp of dcm instead. Burnts my skin between the fingers where it meets the hand where skin is sensitive.
 
 
 
 
    LeVogue
(Hive Bee)
12-14-00 19:18
No 75393
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Ever heard of Nitromors ?

Contains Methylenchloride CH2Cl2.
It's a UK Varnish removing product.


'Big Meth Cooking Competition 2000' ....What date was that ?
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-14-00 22:12
No 75417
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

All the products we have like that which I've seen have the consistency of sludge requiring distillation. This gun scrubber is definately dcm. I went out smelling various other products known to have dcm as their first ingredient listed, smells exactly the same except does not contain the under-tones of the shit you dont want like methanol, MEK, ethyl acetate, etc.
..dumb raver kids, all they want to do is eat the shit up like kiddie crack.
 
 
 
 
    zooligan
(Hive Addict)
12-15-00 13:43
No 75518
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   


This gun scrubber is definately dcm.  I went out smelling various other products known to have dcm as their first ingredient listed, smells exactly the same except does not contain the under-tones of the shit you dont want like methanol, MEK, ethyl acetate, etc.
..dumb raver kids, all they want to do is eat the shit up like kiddie crack.


Don't be a dumb raver kid yourself.  Ask the Wally-world manager to get the MSDS on the product you are talking about (the store is required to carry it by law).  It will spell out exactly what is in the product.  Then no more guesses, speculation, smelling, etc.  You will KNOW.

Do it and post what you find.  Don't make me go to Wally and get it myself, cuz if you are wrong, I will have to post about how easy it was and embarass you. shocked

z

 
 
 
 
    improv_chem
(Hive Bee)
12-15-00 22:27
No 75685
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

SWIM just finished using perchloroethelene for an extraction solvent.  Seems to work well just like chloroform or DCM.  Get a large spray can of break cleaner and read the contents. 
SWIM usually likes ether but break cleaner will work in a pinch.
doesn't smell quite like DCM though..
smile


It's all just a dream, I hope i don't wake up because of that incessent buzzing sound...
 
 
 
 
    Methyl_Man
(Hive Bee)
12-16-00 01:10
No 75740
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Hey kids, forget the mystery hydrocarbon gun cleaners... a fellow named "noj" has just been kind enough to point out in a nearby thread that a product made by "Loctite" is 100% DCM: "Equipment Flushing Solvent" (Item #12121). According to Loctite's website their products can be bought at the following retailers:

Ace Hardware, Albertson's, Canadian Tire, Home Depot, K-Mart, Lowe's, Menard, Office Max, Rite-Aid, Sears, Staples, Tru-Serv, Walgreens, Wal-Mart, & Winn-Dixie.

Of course most (if not all) of these won't have such a solvent stocked, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that any of them that distribute Loctite products can order it for you special. So set up a gallon or two today! laugh


~~~"There's a methyl to my madness"~~~
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Stranger)
12-18-00 18:40
No 76317
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

That gunscrubber is not DCM. The MSDS states:

===========================================================================
                     Ingredients/Identity Information
===========================================================================
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: CARBON DIOXIDE
Ingredient Sequence Number: 01
Percent: 2-20
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: FF6400000
CAS Number: 124-38-9
OSHA PEL: 5000 PPM
ACGIH TLV: 5000PPM       9394
Other Recommended Limit: NONE RECOMMENDED
-------------------------------------
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: 1,1,1-TRICHLOROETHANE (SARA III)
Ingredient Sequence Number: 02
Percent: 80-98
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: KJ2975000
CAS Number: 71-55-6
OSHA PEL: 350 PPM
ACGIH TLV: 350 PPM/450STEL;9394
Other Recommended Limit: NONE RECOMMENDED

The information is available at www.hazard.com. Go to the MSDS site nearest you and type "gun scrubber" into the box. There is only one to choose from, being the product in question.

None the less, I would guess that it could be substituted for DCM, as long as the boiling points are far enough apart to properly distill.
I personally was able to get over a liter of DCM from zipstrip in less than an hour by filling the bathroom sink with hot water and letting it run slowly (allowing the overflow to drain down that little hole at the top) then wrapping a bunched up paper towel around the 3-way adapter and placing it in the can to create a seal, then placing the can in the sink. within 20 minutes you will get DCM coming over.


We are all learners, doers, teachers.
 
 
 
 
    ChemReack
(Stranger)
12-21-00 01:17
No 76909
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

I found it no problem, I simply walked into a plastics shop and there it was as pure as can be.


Once freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom!
 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Bee)
12-21-00 20:37
No 77016
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

I went looking for the OTC dcm, methyl man said loctite products could be found at Canadian Tire, so I visited. Nothing was found (which doesn't bother me as I recycle most of my dcm anyways...), although I did notice they had house brand cleaners containing perchloroethylene. It seems that dcm was phased out in favor of 1-1-1-tce, which is being phased out in favor of perchloroethylene (1-1-2-2-tetrachloroethylene, aka perc). In any case, perc a nice chlorinated solvent if you want to to do a reflux at a higher temperature. Perc's bp is 121°C, but of course, it doesn't have the beauty of DCM's very low BP.
 
 
 
 
    Archaeoptrix
(Stranger)
12-22-00 22:25
No 77308
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Hi folks ! First post here.

DCM has been OTC for quite some time now.  Look in your area's yellow pages under the heading of "plastics" or "plexiglas".  More likely than not you'll find one that sells an 'acrylic adhesive' (which is used to adhere / chemically join 2 pieces of plexiglas together).  By law they must give you an msds.  Look at the sheet and see if its 99%+ methylene dichloride or not (should have a bit of hexane in there too).  No special ordering necesary.

1 QT ~ $20
1 GAL ~ $50

No questions asked.  But, in the occasion they do just tell them you're making your own aquarium out of 3/4" sheet plexi.  Done deal man.


alhambra
 
 
 
 
    Drug_Phreak
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-23-00 03:11
No 77358
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

What the hell is WallyWorld? Is it like a chain of hardware stores somewhere? I typed in www.wallyworld.com and you don't even want to know what I got ick!




Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise.
 
 
 
 
    savestheday
(Hive Bee)
12-23-00 20:34
No 77477
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Just take the first three letters, and replace the rest with whatever store-like word you think of...

examples: try -greens
              -mart
 
 
 
 
    mr_pyrex
(Head Coach)
12-24-00 07:52
No 77577
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

I admit i didn't read each and every post in this thread but hwy are you apparently making aquistion of this chemical harder then need be, at least in the USA it can be had at ANY chemical supply company NO questions asked.  And that is 100% pure no distillation required.  This is a fact as it has been done recently more then once.  Just walk right in and give them your money and walk out a satisfied consumer.  Pyrex out of solvents
 
 
 
 
    Dick_Fitzbetter
(Hive Bee)
12-24-00 08:49
No 77596
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

You're right. I don't understand why this subject keeps coming up on a regular basis.

I guess you can lead a horse to dicloromethane, but you can't make him drink.


τΏτ
 
 
 
 
    scram
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
12-28-00 02:47
No 78226
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

You come to my city bub to the chem places here & just see what kind of dumb "box o' rocks" look you get when explaining what you are looking for. Even plastics suppliers didn't even know what it was. BTW, I found that Sunshine Carbosol brand solvent, It has the exact same smell as this gun solvent....the Carbosol says "Trichloroethylene" on it. The shit sucked ass anyhow, It a complete waste of time and energy to get the gun scrubber to clean up even 33% of what Toluene could do. Just like it was mentioned last year about being such a good solvent that it grasps onto the catylist. Shit fucking blew. I eventually after 6 washes had to evap the shit and sink the still BLACK oil in toluene to get the stuff clean. And I got tar, what the fuck is that???!! I never saw tar with toluene, Christ sake, it was globs of tar....but boy o' boy, my toluene sure saved the day!
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Hive Bee)
03-30-01 03:10
No 181075
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Hey scram, swim used those cans as a substitute for the DCM and it worked like a charm. Didn't see anything more on the subject so decided to experiement with what I had.

1,1,1-trichloroethane  [71-55-6] 
Synonyms: Methyltrichloromethane; Methyl Chloroform; Chlorothene NU; Chlorothene VG; Chlorothene; alpha-trichloroethane; 1,1,1-tce; aerothene tt; solvent 111; tri-ethane; 1,1,1-TRICHLOROETHANE (METHYL CHLOROFORM); Trichloroethane, 1,1,1- ; 1,1-Trichloroethane; 

Thanks for the tip, helped out when in a pinch.


The leading cause of cancer in labrats is scientific research.

Had to do a few more washes with it to get the hydroquinone out, but didn't see any tar or anything...
 
 
 
 
    Chromic
(Hive Addict)
04-01-01 02:04
No 181290
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Simply ask for "methylene chloride". You want it for making dip bath so you can remove paint from intricate lead figurines, say that the stuff that the hardware store sells is all gunked up and can't get into the surface. (if you feel that you need to explain yourself)

All window shops that work with plexiglass will carry it and usually won't know it by the name "dichloromethane". I've usually seen it sold under brand names in 4L tins, 99%+ pure.
 
 
 
 
    woodmeister
(Stranger)
04-01-01 09:20
No 181387
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

Hey man, Ive just started looking for my chems and I found some DCM at AutoZ$%&.  It had a picture of a boat and airplane on a metal can.  It was in the paint section.  It also had 4 or 6% percent methanol.  Could a guy use this straight with that small of an amount of methanol or should it be distilled? If it needed to be distilled it shouldnt take long for 6% to evaporate.
 
 
 
 
    noj
(Hive Bee)
04-01-01 17:27
No 181445
      Re: Its about time!! OTC DCM  Bookmark   

It's used to bond plexiglass together isn't it? I've been thinking of building a wall sized container to hold my snake anyway. DCM wasn't a real big issue but recalled this post when I ran out, and decided to use those cans just to see. Turned out to be one of the biggest yielding wackers yet, but think that was due to the extra washings (washed until the wash stayed clear) which was about 10 in all.

Woodmeister: You should distill any OTC solvent, but you should know that the DCM will boil lower than the methanol, so it won't be "it shouldnt take long for 6% to evaporate," it will be running the course of 94% distilling out. But if you think about it, you are probably using the DCM to extract your goodies from the wacker, which is contained in about a liter of methanol anyway. So to remove the methanol from the DCM, just to add it back to a methanol solution is kinda pointless.




The leading cause of cancer in labrats is scientific research.
 
 
 
 
    wyndowlicker
(Hive Bee)
05-18-02 21:35
No 310440
      ok bees!  Bookmark   

need some help here.Has that scrubber been found to bee acceptable for dcm substitution?Also that ____-on stuff has a 3,4 and 2007 anyone here know whick one is the magic number?tongue

I will choke untill I swallow!Who are you to judge or strike me down!Miss you Kerra!