dickdastardly (Stranger)
10-19-01 18:34
No 226800
      methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Just a quick question all of ya'll I'm looking to perform a catalytic hydrogenation with methyl amine and would like to know what it is used for OTC
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-19-01 18:49
No 226807
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Not much if any OTC uses, mainly used for making drugs. Because of this, and since it is easy to make, most people make it.

I believe that I have, once here, seen someone suggest that it may be used in taxidermy.
 
 
 
 
    Phosphole
(Stranger)
10-20-01 09:24
No 227066
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

According to my Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary (11th edition), methylamine uses are:

intermediate for accelerators, dyes, pharmaceuticals, insecticides, fungicides, surface active agent, tanning, dyeing of acetate textiles, fuel additive, polymerization inhibitor, component of paint removers, solvent, photographic developer, rocket propellent.

And Hawley doesn't lie.
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-20-01 09:33
No 227071
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

According to my Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary (11th edition), methylamine uses are:

intermediate for accelerators, dyes, pharmaceuticals, insecticides, fungicides, surface active agent, tanning, dyeing of acetate textiles, fuel additive, polymerization inhibitor, component of paint removers, solvent, photographic developer, rocket propellent.

And which of these would be an OTC use? The rocket propellant perhaps?
 
 
 
 
    Agent_Smith
(Hive Bee)
10-20-01 22:52
No 227261
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

No I doubt the rocket propellant angle would be OTC.  OTC rocket motors are black powder, I suspect that methylamine comes into play with real rocket prollenats ala hydrazine.

blah blah blah something clever blah blah blah
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-20-01 23:15
No 227270
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

We need an explicit sarcasm icon. The closest we seem to have is "wink" but I doubt that this would be quite explicit enough.
 
 
 
 
    Unobtainium
(Hive Customer Service)
10-20-01 23:18
No 227271
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

I usually use tongue

Free Spitball.

 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-20-01 23:22
No 227275
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

For tongue-in-cheek ? The only thing is that it also looks like "Mr. Yuck".
 
 
 
 
    Quicksilver
(Hive Bee)
10-21-01 05:02
No 227375
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Was there not a bee who used Mr Yuck as his image recently?   Can't remember who....
 
 
 
 
    dickdastardly
(Stranger)
11-06-01 21:56
No 233859
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

AHEMM people can you just maybe stick to the subject
 
 
 
 
    encopo
(Hive Bee)
11-06-01 23:11
No 233891
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

methylamine can be made by various methods, since there
are very little legitimate reasons for needing it, and
no real OTC sources.

Check out rhodium's site, and read what zwitterion (may he
rest in peace) has to say on the matter. Methylamine is
a VERY useful substance in many reactions, and a stockpile
would be nice.

Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill.
 
 
 
 
    Bozakium
(Hive Bee)
11-10-01 08:07
No 235107
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

There are legal ways for the layman to purchase REAL rocket propellants.
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Bee)
11-10-01 16:02
No 235191
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Is that a joke?????

Im sorry, when someone says "real" rocket propellants, I think of high grade shit: chilled hydrazine and dinitrogen tetroxide, for example.

If you can get these reagents, PM me and tell me how!

                                                PrimoPyro

Vivent Longtemps la Ruche! STRIKE For President!
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Bee)
11-10-01 16:04
No 235193
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Jesus, the things I'd give for half a kilo of nitronium tetraflouroborate......

[drooooooooooooooooooooooooool]

Vivent Longtemps la Ruche! STRIKE For President!
 
 
 
 
    uemura
(Hive Bee)
11-10-01 19:43
No 235223
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

Buying Hydrazin is less a problem than buying DMS or LAlH4. At least for Euro-Bees.
 
 
 
 
    Solvent_Flash
(Newbee)
11-10-01 21:15
No 235243
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

That Hydrazoic acid synth is CRAZY sounding to say the least, so much to do!..... Just get the damn Hexamine, and hydrolize it with your HCl and Methanol. This will give you your desired chem, methylamine, PLUS a crop of Ammonium Chloride which you can save and use  to hydrolize other shit in the near future!! Peeeece(of Hash)Don't pyro technicians use methylamine for big explosions at rawk shows? (seem to remember  reading a post by a pyro tech once about that and the hexamine synth.

PS: Hexamine is some smelly sheeeit, wear a lab coat and gloves, OR smell like a Hasting's Street alley, your choice...

BOOM!
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
11-10-01 22:21
No 235261
      Re: methylamine aquisition  Bookmark   

That Hydrazoic acid synth is CRAZY sounding to say the least, so much to do!..... Just get the damn Hexamine, and hydrolize it with your HCl and Methanol. This will give you your desired chem, methylamine, PLUS a crop of Ammonium Chloride which you can save and use  to hydrolize other shit in the near future!! Peeeece(of Hash)Don't pyro technicians use methylamine for big explosions at rawk shows? (seem to remember  reading a post by a pyro tech once about that and the hexamine synth.

PS: Hexamine is some smelly sheeeit, wear a lab coat and gloves, OR smell like a Hasting's Street alley, your choice...

Ahh, lovely, another moron who thinks that anyone would be interested in his babbling.
 
 
 
 
    shorts
(Stranger)
10-22-02 11:02
No 371173
      Methylamine and Nitromethane  Bookmark   

Does anyone know how these two would react?  For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?  I hope someone can see where I am going with this....wink
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-22-02 16:22
No 371258
      Diesel fuel.  Bookmark   

For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?
Only perhaps if your model car has a diesel engine. Adding an amine to nitromethane will cause the octane rating to plummet.

Baseline Does Not Exist.
 
 
 
 
    El_Zorro
(Hive Bee)
10-23-02 00:47
No 371454
      ?Re: For instance using Methylamine as an ...  Bookmark   

?

For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?
Only perhaps if your model car has a diesel engine. Adding an amine to nitromethane will cause the octane rating to plummet.




Isn't that kind of a good thing?  I thought the octane rating had to do with how much anti-combustion agents they added to the gas.


Who is that masked man?
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
10-23-02 04:05
No 371560
      Plummet  Bookmark   

will cause the octane rating to plummet.

Isn't that kind of a good thing?

Plummet means to decrease, to cause the octane number to become smaller. A fuel with a low octane rating will combust on the compression stroke of the engine without needing to be ignited by the spark plug, it will cause the engine to ping or, in the extreme case, cause the engine to diesel. Thus a low octane rating is good, even necessary, for a diesel engine but bad for other types of engines.



Baseline Does Not Exist.
 
 
 
 
    shorts
(Stranger)
10-23-02 04:09
No 371561
      Methylamine and model fuel  Bookmark   

A model engine is a 2 stroke, and does have a diesel like combustion process.  The fuel is usually a methanol and castor oil blend (4:1 is the standard methanol/oil mix).  Methanol is replaced in varying percentages by Nitromethane depending on the level of performance required from the fuel.  I have personally used up to 70% Nitro in my fuels. These engines use a glow plug for the ignition in conjunction with the fuel compression.

Now if someone making this fuel and potentially marketing it came up wit a performance enhancement by adding methylamine or if it gave some other advantage as an additive for this kind of fuel, it would then be reasonable for a model fuel manufacturer to buy methylamine. 

One of the OTC uses stated for Methylamine was as a fuel additive.  What I am getting at is what does it do in fuels.  Can someone who makes this fuel reasonably purchase Methylamine?  Especially in South Pacific Countries that recently hosted olympics?

regards,
shorts
 
 
 
 
    shorts
(Stranger)
10-23-02 04:13
No 371563
      octane decrease  Bookmark   

well one of the disadvantages of high Nitromethane in model fuel is that the ignition point does get delayed.  It may be an advantage to bring this ignition point forward in the cycle.

shorts
 
 
 
 
    shroomanium
(Hive Bee)
10-25-02 03:02
No 372360
      scram ...  Bookmark   

Don't post sources!

UAFSE! I'm sure there's more than one use for methylamine.

-s

shroomanium \shroo-may-ne-um\ (noun): imaginary element found only in dreams.