greeter (Hive Bee)
04-04-02 08:28
No 292200
      How much heat wrecks psilocin/psilocybin  Bookmark   

Does anyone have any idea how much heat wrecks psilocybin?  I have read on here that smoking shrooms generally produces no high, but swim very nearly always boils shrooms and drinks the tea when he trips and the product is *very* active.
(Old P2P Cook)
04-04-02 08:53
No 292210
      Oxygen not heat.  Bookmark   

Post 287062 (Morbid_o: "Psilocybin decomposition", General Discourse)
04-04-02 09:39
No 292225
      Doesn't decompose very easily  Bookmark   

Back in the day when we used to go pick cubies from a field we would throw them in a pot with some water, mash them up and boil it (the water turned black), and then starin out the chunks, add more water and a little koolaid, and voila. Mushrooms still hit just fine, rather potent as I remember. So based on this i don't think it decomposes horribly fast under moderate amounts of heat. But everything that i have read says that you shouldn't get it hot.

(Hive Bee)
04-04-02 11:10
No 292254
      Reply to 'Doesn't decompose very easily'  Bookmark   

Heating reduces psylocin apparently to a different indole, thus making your product approx., like what, 15% or so less depending on the shrooms?  (Could be wrong %-wise, no flames).  Psilocybin OTHO would remain straight, so the bulk majority of active material would be okay to simmer some, wouldn't apply any serious heat, although I guess this is okay as well.  I think the seeming increase in potency is the fact that the shrooms are completely broken down and more of the active psilocybin is released and it hits the body faster and sooner.  Kind of like how I believe crushed pressies fuck you up more than just swallowing a pill whole (x I'm talking about of course).

As to heating the pure active compound ...why?  This seems like if there were a chance for psilocybin to get fucked up by heat, it would increase in an environment free of the fungal body.  Then again, maybe not if you're completely grinding up dry shroomies anyways.  Try it and find out, just don't over do it with heat, only what's necessary.  Test small first of course. 

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(Hive Bee)
04-04-02 21:29
No 292419
      sorry about the confusion  Bookmark   

Hey Terbium, nice post on your part about oxidation.  Does this happen to the HCl salt or just the freebase?  Anyway, if my post was unclear from above, swim *always* make tea because swim thinks shrooms taste like shit.  Swim's recipe:

typically 1/16 to 1/8 oz. BONE DRY shrooms per person, depending on tolerance (typically 1/8 oz. each for veterans), ground extremely fine in a coffee grinder.  dump shrooms into boiling hot water (10oz per person) and boil on high for 20min.  turn heat off, toss in 5-6 bags of orange spice tea (caffeine free and *totally* masks the shroom flavor), let stand for a while and cool.

Drink up, get high.  Alternatively, you can freeze the tea and take it at a later date (still just as active even months later).

ps:  in case you don't know, shrooms typically aren't grown on shit when they're grown domestically.  In a field, yes, but domestically grown shrooms are grown on rice and vermiculite typically (just trying to debunk some myths).  They still taste like shit though ;)
(Old P2P Cook)
04-04-02 21:49
No 292426
      Not so much taste as texture.  Bookmark   

I used to not bother with tea but just eat the 'shrooms straight - fresh or dried. A tea would be nice though as it is not so much the taste (I find that to be mild) of the 'shrooms as the texture that would sometimes make it difficult to get them down.

I would think that for making a tea, bringing the water to a strong boil before adding the 'shrooms would be good as this will get rid of any oxygen in the water. Also, adding some pure Vitamin C crystals should be good as Vitamin C is an anti-oxidant.
(Hive Bee)
04-04-02 22:13
No 292433
      Decontamination  Bookmark   

Most people I know that make a tea or hot beverage out of their mushrooms do it for sanitary reasons.  They DO pick the caps straight off of cow shit.  Otherwise, you are just destroying part of your trip.  If it is the taste/texture that bothers you, try blending the mushrooms with pulpy orange juice and drinking.  It too can be kept for at least 2 months without a loss in potency.
04-04-02 23:08
No 292459
      I love mushrooms, yeah yeah yeah  Bookmark   

SWIM made some tea the other night with some shrooms(7-8 fresh PC), to great results.  Afterwards, he made a friend eat the shrooms that had been strained out(with a 1.5 caps and some stems mixed in) and both had decent trips although his previously boiled shrooms tasted like shit.  Unfortunately, now the growth is slowing on the mycelium due to some devilish cobwebs.

Also, is growing on agar really *that* much better than traditional substrate?

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(Hive Bee)
04-05-02 05:19
No 292656
      More shroom info  Bookmark   

swim likes the vitamin C addition idea.  he will try that in the future.  I also forgot to mention that swim does strain his shrooms before drinking the tea (through a coffee filter) and tosses the pulp.  Swim thinks it's "nasty-and-a-half" to actually eat that shit after you boil it.  Gross.  You might was well eat the damn cake the shrooms grew on.  BLEH.

As to growing substrate, swim had phenomenally good results with ground organic brown rice and vermiculite, per straight up PF.  swim hasn't tried agar as the results were so overwhelmingly good.
(Old P2P Cook)
04-05-02 08:46
No 292731
      Agar is for mycelium.  Bookmark   

Also, is growing on agar really *that* much better than traditional substrate?
Uh, not for producing mushrooms. Did someone say otherwise? Agar is used for propagating mycelium.
04-05-02 21:36
No 292930
      Hmm  Bookmark   

ok, that makes more sense.  so, basically, it's for spawning the mycelium, which is then transfered to some substrate?

i like this idea...seems like it could work well for some of the more difficult to grow strains.

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(Hive Bee)
04-06-02 08:51
No 293169
      not certain but  Bookmark   

I would speculate that in terms of growing large shroom volumes, agar would be less than ideal.  It simply doesn't have a structure conducive to mycelial growth, as only the surface is aerobic.  Bulky grains leave a large amount of surface area for strong colonization.
05-10-02 00:03
No 306817
      Don't think its much to worry about as I've had ...  Bookmark   

Don't think its much to worry about as I've had equivalent weights as tea and dried(from the same batch as well)well spaced to allow for tolerance,and the difference was negligible if at all.

Doesn't alot of the psilocybin get converted by the drying process to psilocin.

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(Hive Bee)
05-10-02 00:12
No 306820
      psilocin  Bookmark   

Doesn't alot of the psilocybin get converted by the drying process to psilocin.

All the psilocin will oxidise over day's and all the psilocybin will oxidise over some month's

05-10-02 01:49
      Oh yea its eating that does that isn't it?
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(Hive Bee)
05-10-02 21:50
No 307157
      Re: All the psilocin will oxidise over day's and ...  Bookmark   

All the psilocin will oxidise over day's and all the psilocybin will oxidise over some month's

Not quite... according to Journal of Cromatography, 244 (1982), 357-364, the psilocybin content of stored samples of P. Semilanceata decreased with increasing age of the mushroom. For example, the paper lists two 29-year-old specimens with 0.38% and 0.10% of psilocybin w/w and a 30-year-old with 0.05%.

(Hive Bee)
05-22-02 03:46
No 312257
      At least BP of water  Bookmark   

We used to mash our field cubies up and boild them and strain them with no signifigant loss in potency

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(Hive Bee)
05-23-02 20:23
No 313228
      Loss  Bookmark   

Mushrooms lose potency as long as they are wet.  Quickly and coolly dried, they will loose no potency for at least 6 mos., if stored in a cool dark place, or your money back laugh

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