Elementary
(Hive Addict)
04-14-02 22:25
No 296888
      Phenylacetic acid another way
(Rated as: excellent)
    

Method of preparing Phenylacetaldehyde or Phenylacetic acid

1. Production of Phenylethanol from benzene and ethylene oxide

Patent No US1944959

Abstract

In a suitable container in which there has been placed 500 g of anhydrous AlCl3 there is added 800 g of benzene under stiring, 180 grams ethylene oxide in gaseous form and an equal amount of air are passed through the mixture at 45-55C until only a small amount of AlCl3 has been left. The reaction container is constantly externally cooled with circulating water to maintain the desired temperature. The temperature is kept preferably withing the range of about substantially 45C to about subtantially 55C but as hereafter seen can range from -20C upwards. The reaction product obtained is treated in the usual way with ice, seperated and vacuum distilled. In this reaction about 173 g phenylethyl alcohol and only 2 g dibenzyl were formed.

2. Ethylene Oxide

Ethanol is mixed with excess of conc sulphuric acid. Ethyl Hydrogen Sulphate is formed in the cold, but on heating to about 170C it decomposes into ethylene and sulphuric acid.

When ethylene is mixed with air or oxygen and passed over a silver catalyst at 300C, it is converted into ethylene oxide, a colourless liquid, BP 11C.

3. Oxidisation Of Phenylethanol (phenyl ethyl alcohol)

According to the strength of the oxidising agent used, phenylethanol can be oxidised to phenylacetaldehyde or phenylacetic acid.



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    Aurelius
(Hive Bee)
04-14-02 23:13
No 296904
      Temperature     

if the temp can range from -22C on up, then why not chill to 0C in a salt/water bath?  that way everything is liquid phase and the bubbling is no longer a necessity.  (good post though)
 
 
 
 
    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
04-14-02 23:50
No 296923
      This is a patent.     

if the temp can range from -22C on up, then why not chill to 0C in a salt/water bath?  that way everything is liquid phase and the bubbling is no longer a necessity.
Because it probably doesn't work very well at that temperature. The patent states that the best temperature is 45-55C. When reading patents you have to remember that the purpose of a patent is not to claim just the optimal conditions but, just the opposite, to claim all possible conditions.
 
 
 
 
    Aurelius
(Hive Bee)
04-15-02 06:15
No 297038
      Thanks     

Terbium, thanks.  that's kinda what aurelius figured but thought it was worth a shot. 
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-15-02 06:33
No 297042
      Propylene Oxide --> P2Pol     

Would usage of propylene oxide afford P2Pol?

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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-15-02 06:43
No 297044
      P2Pol     

PP: Yes.
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-15-02 06:46
No 297045
      Forgive My Intrusion     

But will nonaqueous hypochlorite coordinate with aluminum chloride? (please say no) wink

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    Aurelius
(Hive Bee)
04-15-02 07:25
No 297063
      P2P     

Going for a one-pot-shot at P2P?...smilewink
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-15-02 07:32
No 297067
      Why Yes I Am. ;)     

Do you remember Post 270904 (PrimoPyro: "Grignard P2Pol In Situ Oxidation", Novel Discourse)? T'would be a neat trick to pull off in one pot, would it not? smile

                                                    PrimoPyro

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    Aurelius
(Hive Bee)
04-15-02 07:35
No 297069
      results     

PrimoPyro, give it a whirl and post the results.  It would be AWESOME to see a synth like that.
 
 
 
 
    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
04-15-02 15:46
No 297177
      Propylene rambles     

The patent also mentions phenylpropyl alcohol and isomers from benzene and propylene oxide.

Propylene Oxide

Propylene could probably be made by the depolymerisation of Polypropylene, or in the usual way with conc sulphuric acid and isopropyl alcohol.

Propylene > Propylene oxide (watch this space)

Phenyl(iso?)propyl alcohol can then be worked up to goodies


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    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
04-15-02 15:56
No 297178
      Alkylene Oxides from Glycols
(Rated as: excellent)
    

When Ethylene glycol is treated with HCl it is converted to Ethylene Chlorhydrin.



Strong alkali converts Chlorhydrins into Alkylene Oxides



EDIT Chlorine water converts olefins (ethylene/propylene) to chlorohydrins as well.



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    foxy2
(Distinctive Doe)
04-15-02 18:49
No 297226
      this to     

2,3-propanediol should work with HCl as well.  It would bee easier to get than gaseous propylene.

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-15-02 22:43
No 297341
      Oh My     

You people did know that propylene oxide is available as a fuel additive for racing cars by the multigallon drum, did you not?

I mean come on now, what was I thinking when I bought that 5 gallon drum of methanol, 1 gallon of nitromethane, and 1 gallon of propylene oxide for my dragster? wink

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    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
04-15-02 22:54
No 297348
      NHRA permitted?     

I was vaguely under the impression that propylene oxide was not a permitted additive.
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-15-02 22:59
No 297351
      You Can Buy It In The US     

Well, it is up for sale as an additive in the US, and available for the same at a few Online Places as well.

Check your PMs for details.

                                                 PrimoPyro

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    Osmium
(Stoni's sexual toy)
04-15-02 23:19
No 297360
      OMG! They sell propylene oxide to the fucking ...     

OMG! They sell propylene oxide to the fucking public?? That shit isn't healthy at all.
And I'm not sure if I like to see inexperienced bees working with stuff like ethylene oxide, propylene oxide or even epichlorohydrin either.

I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
 
 
 
 
    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
05-08-02 04:47
No 306038
      Help ! Can any body help me with another name for ...     

Help !

Can any body help me with another name for 2,3-propanediol that foxy mentioned earlier, or even a formula ?

What do you think about the possiblity of changing aluminium chloride for another lewis acid (Iron chloride) in the reaction between benzene and the propylene oxide ?

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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
05-08-02 06:24
No 306058
      2,3-propanediol = 1,2-propanediol     

Elementary: The proper name is 1,2-propanediol (propylene glycol).
 
 
 
 
    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
05-09-02 01:02
No 306420
      The patent mentions that the usage of propylene ...     

The patent mentions that the usage of propylene oxide will afford phenylpropyl alcohol and isomers.

So I guess the main products will be :

Phenylpropyl Alcohol (Hydrocinnamic Alcohol ?)
Phenylisopropyl Alcohol
Any others ?

So if phenylisopropyl alcohol can be oxidised to 1 Phenyl 2 Propanone (P2P), what does phenylpropyl alcohol get oxidised to ?

And what determines if an secondary alcohol oxidises to an aldehyde(then to an acid) or an ketone ?



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    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
05-09-02 01:13
No 306426
      Elementary     

Secondary alcohols never become aldehydes or acids. Primary alcohols go through those reactions, and secondary alcohols become ketones.

The other side product of this reaction would be 2-phenyl-1-propanol, which would oxidize to 2-phenylpropanal, which in turn can stil be changed into P2P a la Rhodium's site, with H2SO4 or HgCl2.

The phenylpropyl alcohol would oxidize to phenylpropanal, the aldehyde, or phenylpropionic acid, the carboxylic acid.

                                                 PrimoPyro

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    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
05-09-02 01:17
No 306429
      phenylpropyl alcohol     

The phenylpropyl alcohol would oxidize to phenylpropanal, the aldehyde, or phenylpropionic acid, the carboxylic acid.

So does phenylpropyl alcohol not behave like a secondary alcohol then ?

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    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
05-09-02 02:23
No 306465
      PhPrOH = Primary     

Phenylpropyl alcohol is a primary alcohol. Phenylpropanol is 1-phenyl-3-propanol, and is a primary alcohol.

Phenylisopropanol is 1-phenyl-2-propanol, and is a secondary alcohol.

2-phenyl-1-propanol is also a primary alcohol, and yields 2-phenylpropanal upon oxidation.

                                                  PrimoPyro

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    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
05-14-02 08:02
No 308250
      Secondary alcohol oxidation.     

Secondary alcohols never become aldehydes or acids.
Not true, especially when the hydrogens next to the alcohol are benzylic, the secondary alcohol can be oxidzed to an acid.
 
 
 
 
    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
05-14-02 11:21
No 308325
      True     

But only when accompanied by either a rearrangement or a C-C fission, which I had omitted the possibility of for this thread's topic.

                                                 PrimoPyro

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    lugh
(Moderator)
06-27-04 00:52
No 515621
      Propylene Chlorohydrin
(Rated as: good read)
    

This article from Journal of Applied Chemistry USSR (Engl. Trans.) 32, 891-4 (1959) by Etlis and Grobov may bee of interest to some bees wink



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