pHarmacist (Hive Bee)
11-28-02 11:43
No 384271
      Nenitzescu Indole Synthesis  Bookmark   

http://www.chempensoftware.com/reactions/RXN274.htm

The reaction is a beauty:

0.2 mol of .beta.-amino isopropyl crotonate in solution in 200 c.c. of dichlorethane are added, over a period of 6 hours, to a solution, under reflux, of 0.25 mol of p-benzoquinone in 100 c.c. of dichlorethane. The water formed is progressively eliminated. After a supplementary reflux for 11/2 hours, the mixture is cooled and the 2-methyl-5-hydroxy-3-indole isopropyl carboxylate formed is filtered off.

Unfortunately the adduct or the product is 2-methyl substitued. Does anyone has any (practical) idea how this can be avoided?



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    pHarmacist
(Hive Bee)
11-28-02 18:46
No 384340
      Come on guys...  Bookmark   

Can the above described approach be applied to synthesise 2-Me-DET, 2-Me-DMT (#33,#33) and analogs? In that case one could treat the obtained  indole with NaOH/Me2SO4, in order to convert -OH to MeO- and probably get more potent analog with different action...



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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
11-28-02 22:39
No 384377
      I don't think you can work around the 2-Methyl ...  Bookmark   

I don't think you can work around the 2-Methyl thing, so better do like you say and use it for 2-Me-DMT etc.

How did you plan to go from the indole-3-COOH to the dialkyltryptamine?

Here is one of the refs: ../rhodium/pdf /archive/quinone2indole.pdf
 
 
 
 
    yellium
(I'm Yust a Typo)
11-28-02 23:32
No 384387
      But 2-Me-DMT is cool too, if you have to believe ...  Bookmark   

But 2-Me-DMT is cool too, if you have to believe TiHKAL...


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    cattleprodder
(Stranger)
11-29-02 19:02
No 384628
      Root words and their meanings.  Bookmark   

A professor of chemistry once told me that 2-methyl-indole's common name is "skatole," if that tells you anything.
At low concentrations, it smells like flowers, but at high concentrations, it smells like, well, shit (if you choose to believe what he said that day).
 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
11-29-02 19:42
No 384637
      No, Skatole is 3-Methyl-Indole.  Bookmark   

No, Skatole is 3-Methyl-Indole.
 
 
 
 
    yellium
(I'm Yust a Typo)
11-29-02 20:33
No 384646
      Every indole smells like shit.  Bookmark   

Every indole smells like shit.


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    terbium
(Old P2P Cook)
11-29-02 22:13
No 384658
      This is misleading.  Bookmark   

Every indole smells like shit.
Pure indole does not "smell like shit". Certainly the "smell of shit" does contain indole as a component but so does the smell of orange blossoms. So by this reasoning I could say instead that indole smells like orange blossoms or by stretching this line of reasoning just a bit more I could say that orange blossoms smell like shit.

I know that the Merck Index says that indole has an "intense fecal odor" but the Merck Index is wrong.


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    yellium
(I'm Yust a Typo)
11-30-02 00:49
No 384693
      All right. 'Pure' indole has a strong, heavy ...  Bookmark   

All right. 'Pure' indole has a strong, heavy rubbery/chemical smell; at least the one that I worked with. But indole degradation products (which you'll almost always get when you do some indole chemistry) surely smell shitty.


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    Chemikaze
(HyperLab Bee)
12-02-02 13:48
No 385475
      Another interesting indole synth.  Bookmark   

There was shown an ability of synthesis of indoles by reacting conc. H2SO4 with products of reaction of aniline (ArNH22) with glycidic esters.The main idea was reacting aniline with glycidic esters at high temp (in pipe bomb) on a 1st stage:



On a 2nd stage alpha-oxy-beta-anilinoester (yield 30-84%) is treated with conc. H2SO4 at high temp:


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However it was found out that adding conc. HCl to excess of aniline makes opening of epoxy ring more easy, thus making synth of indoles in one stage.
Experimentally reaction is very easy: excess of aromatic amine is mixed with HCl and equimolar amount of glycidic ester,then solution is heated up to 180-190 C,indoles are separated in a common way.The yield of desired products,which have alyfatic or aromatic radicals,is 68-85%.
This was presented by Narayana of HyperLab.

So having corresponding glycidic ester we could get DMT in one stage from aniline.

The main question is could anyone suggest a synth of glycidic esters,for producing exactly (unsubst.)indole???

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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
12-02-02 14:02
No 385476
      Glycidic esters in one step  Bookmark   

Easy! Glycidic esters are formed in the base-catalyzed Darzen condensation of chloroacetic esters with aldehydes, just like in ../rhodium/chemistry /2ch.darzen.html

Barium has done some great work in this area, using aqueous NaOH with a PTC or commercial 30% sodium methoxide, UTFSE on his name for details.
 
 
 
 
    Chemikaze
(HyperLab Bee)
12-02-02 14:24
No 385483
      Nenitzesku scheme  Bookmark   



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    Chemikaze
(HyperLab Bee)
12-02-02 14:57
No 385489
      That`s really great  Bookmark   

You say: Glycidic esters are formed in the base-catalyzed Darzen condensation of chloroacetic esters with aldehydes...

I`ve read Barium`s thread (333551) on this topic,but missed smth., can we get them glycidic esters using this procedure without aldehyde presence,or do they cyclize only in presence of aldehyde?

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