RedMonn_16 (Hive Bee)
12-23-02 02:15
No 391854
      LSD  Bookmark   

Problem:

Ok, so let's say you still have LSA and pyridine and SOCl2 but you don't want to order anymore diethylamine.

Solution:

Use pyrrolidine instead!~
 
 
 
 
    pHarmacist
(Hive Bee)
12-23-02 02:27
No 391860
      What does LSD has to do with that?  Bookmark   

?

"Turn on, Tune in and Drop Out"
 
 
 
 
    carboxyl
(Hive Addict)
12-23-02 04:15
No 391885
      I believe Red_Monn16 is attempting to syntheize  Bookmark   

LSD via the following method.

Dissolve 0.536g (I) in 10 ml freshly distilled POCL3; stir and add 416mg powdered, freshly sublimed PCl5. Hold two minutes at room temperature, two minutes at 90C, and evaporate in vacuum. Extract the residue with hexane to give the lysergic acid chlo ride-HCl (can also extract the reaction mixture with hexane instead of evaporating in vacuum). Alternatively use 6ml POCl3 and 240 mg SOCl2 and heat three minutes at 90C to get the acid chloride. To 5g of the acid chloride add 1.4ml DEA in 50ml methane chloride and cool to 0C. Stir and add 27.5 ml pyridine and stir 1/2 hour at 0 . Warm to room temperature and stir 11/2 hours. Evaporate in vacuum to get LSD.


I don't know about the validity of that synthesis, but either way, that synthesis uses lysergic acid as the precursor, not lysergic acid amide.


There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
 
 
 
 
    pHarmacist
(Hive Bee)
12-23-02 04:25
No 391886
      carboxyl  Bookmark   

carboxyl, what makes you think that he's refering to that particual procedure?

What I don't understand is that he seems to claim that it's possible to replace DEA with pyrrolidine to finally obtain LSD from LSA. Did I get that right?

Heh, anyways, all I know is that I don't think that his proposal will work and that at least I have no plans in making LSD :)

Pyrrolidine:




Diethylamine:




"Turn on, Tune in and Drop Out"
 
 
 
 
    carboxyl
(Hive Addict)
12-23-02 08:48
No 391935
      I wasn't sure which synthesis Red_Monn was ...  Bookmark   

I wasn't sure which synthesis Red_Monn was reffering to, so searching for "SOCl2, pyridine, and LSD" I found an old page that is no longer up. Upon futher inspection of the  Google cache, it appears to be a method for LSD production involving the aboved referenced. Were you refering to another synthesis, Red_Monn? I don't see how it will work either.

There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
 
 
 
 
    Megatherium
(Stranger)
12-23-02 11:24
No 391953
      LPD-824 N-Pyrrolidyllysergamide  Bookmark   

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml
 
 
 
 
    El_Zorro
(Hive Addict)
12-24-02 09:36
No 392349
      hydrolize N,N diethyl toluamide with NaOH, and ...  Bookmark   

hydrolize N,N diethyl toluamide with NaOH, and diethylamine and water distill over.  Get the N,N diethyl toluamide from any OTC mosquito repellent.

It is seductive, way too seductive.             -Eleusis
 
 
 
 
    cHiLLy
(Hive Bee)
12-24-02 14:38
No 392399
      ic  Bookmark   

at 1/10 potency I would rather go through the hassle of getting diethylamine from OFF.