Bwiti (PVC-Analog Taste-Tester)
04-12-03 06:44
No 426071
      Solubility Of Mescaline Acetate..  Bookmark   

What's up folks?! I'm interested in knowing the solubility of mescaline acetate in methylene chloride, toluene, or any other non-polar solvent with a low boiling point.. Would it be about as insoluble as mescaline hydrochloride? My only reason for assuming this is simply because they're both acid addition salts. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
  Here's where I'm going with this.. Lets say some San Pedro (trichocerus pachanoi) was put through de-fatting, an acid/base extraction, and the methylene chloride or toluene extract of the freebase mescaline and other alkaloids was dried over anhydrous Mg-sulfate. Rather than precipitating it as the hydrochloride salt with HCl, why not do this: Dissolve some acetic acid in ether, then drip it into the freebase solution to precipitate it as the acetate?cool

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(Hive Addict)
04-12-03 14:04
No 426139
      Solubility  Bookmark   

don't worry about the solubility.  Just use DCM and then evap off the solvent, and recryst from water or methanol/ether mix.
(Old P2P Cook)
04-13-03 22:49
No 426542
      Mescaline sulfate  Bookmark   

Usually mescaline is prepared as the sulfate because this is very soluble in hot water but only sparingly soluble in cold water.

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(PVC-Analog Taste-Tester)
04-13-03 23:48
No 426553
      cool..  Bookmark   

Thanks for the advice!smile

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(Old P2P Cook)
04-14-03 20:51
No 426832
      Not acid sulfate.
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Use 1/2 mole of sulfuric acid per mole of mescaline so that you produce the "neutral" sulfate not the acid sulfate. Best is to measure the pH during neutralization. I would guess the correct pH to be about 7, does anyone have a better value?

From the Merck Index:

  5965.    Mescaline. 
3,4,5-Trimethoxybenzeneethanamine; 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine; mezcaline.  C11H17NO3; mol wt 211.26.  C 62.54%, H 8.11%, N 6.63%, O 22.72%. 
Psychotomimetic alkaloid isolated from peyote (mescal buttons), the flowering heads of Lophophora williamsii(Lemaire) Coult., Cactaceae.  Isoln:  A. Heffter, Ber. 29, 221 (1896).  Structure and synthesis:  E. Spth, Monatsh. 40, 129 (1919); K. H. Slotta, H. Heller, Ber. 63, 3029 (1930); E. Spth, F. Becke, Monatsh. 66, 327 (1935); M. U. Tsao, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 73, 5495 (1951); K. Banholzer et al., Helv. Chim. Acta 35, 1577 (1952).  Novel synthesis:  M. N. Aboul-Enein, A. I. Eid, Acta Pharm. Suec. 16, 267 (1979).  MS determn:  S. P. Jindal, T. Lutz, Eur. J. Mass Spectrom. Biochem. Med. Environ. Res. 2, 117 (1982). 
Pharmacokinetics in rabbits:  C. Van Peteghem et al., Eur. J. Drug Metab. Pharmacokinet. 7, 1 (1982).  Mode of action study:  M. E. Trulson et al., Eur. J. Pharmacol. 96, 151 (1983).  Use in evaluating serotonin S2 antagonists:  C. J. E. Niemegeers et al., Drug Dev. Res. 3, 123 (1983).  Evaluation of use with chlorpromazine, q.v., in various psychoses:  H. C. B. Denber, S. Merlis:  J. Nerv. Ment. Dis. 122, 463 (1955).  Toxicity data:  L. B. Speck, J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 119, 78 (1957); H. F. Hardman et al., Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 25, 299 (1973).  Reviews:  A. R. Patel, Progress in Drug Research vol. 11, E. Jucker, Ed. (Birkhauser Verlag, Basel, 1968) pp 11-47; G. J. Kapadia, M. B. E. Fayez, J. Pharm. Sci. 59, 1699-1727 (1970).
          Crystals, mp 35-36 deg.  bp12 180 deg.  Moderately sol in water; sol in alcohol, chloroform, benzene.  Practically insol in ether, petr ether.  Takes up CO2 from the air and forms a crystalline carbonate.  LD50 i.p. in rats:  370 mg/kg (Speck).
          Caution:  This is a controlled substance (hallucinogen) listed in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, Title 21 Part 1308.11 (1995).

          Hydrochloride, C11H17NO3.HCl, needles, mp 181 deg.  Sol in water, alcohol.  LD50 in mice, rats, guinea pigs (mg/kg):  212, 132, 328 i.p. (Hardman).

          Sulfate dihydrate, (C11H17NO3)2.H2SO4.2H2O, prisms, mp 183-186 deg.  Sol in hot water, methanol; sparingly sol in cold water, ethanol.

          Acid sulfate, C11H17NO3.H2SO4, crystals, mp 158 deg.

          N-Benzoylmescaline, needles from aq alc, mp 121 deg.  Very sol in alcohol, ether.

          N-Methylmescaline, occurs naturally, bp 130-140 deg.

          N-Acetylmescaline, occurs naturally, mp 94 deg.

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(PVC-Analog Taste-Tester)
04-15-03 23:18
No 427181
      Freebase not soluble in diethyl ether or petrol..?  Bookmark   

Well, you've convinced me to use H2SO4 in my

  Here's something I didn't expect: "Practically insol in ether, petr ether." <- I re-checked this in the 13th edition Merck. The freebase isn't soluble in ether?! That's weird. But, I'm guessing it's fairly soluble in xylene, because of the data on solubility in benzene. Thanks again! Peace!cool

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